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Published on November 19, 2009 By Fokxnim In Sins of a Solar Empire

So I've been wondering... (and needing for my Sins story Sinners) what the conditions were for planets wishing to be accepted into the Trade Order. (careful, NOT the Trader Emergency Coalition, the Trade Order, before the TEC). Here's what I've come up with, hopefully not too closely copied from the Charter of the United Nations, but I could really use some Sins community help. (I will, however, make the final judgements on what should go in. This is my thread after all ) As suggestions are added via comment I'll add them to the Charter (if I think they apply). So without further ado I present the Charter for Membership to the Trade Order:

The Purposes of the Trade Order:

- To maintain peace and interplanetary security and to prevent and remove threats and acts of aggression to the peace of this Order.

- To develop friendly ties between intersystem and intrasystem planets, based on the principles of free and unrestricted trade, equal rights of all Traders, and to strengthen the universal market.

All members of the Trade Order shall act in accordance with the following Principles:

1. This Order is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its members.

2. A member planet will not assault or be involved in an assault on another member planet.

3. A member planet will not assault a nonmember planet unless specifically advised to by the Trade Order Council (TOC)

4. A member planet will give economic aid to another member planet, if requested and within reason.

5. A member planet will present one representative from its planet to the Trade Order Council (TOC) for an eight-year term.

6. A planet wishing for admittance into the Trade Order must have a beginning approval rating of at least 70%.

7. If at any time a member planet's approval rating drops to 30% or below, the Trade Order Council (TOC) retains the right to vote said planet out of the Trade Order, or impose precautionary restrictions on the planet as the Council sees fit.

8. If a planet is expelled from the Trade Order by legal means, it may reapply for membership if it meets the preliminary requirements. However, the Trade Order Council retains the right to deny a second-time applicant even if all qualifications are met.

9. A member planet will promote high standards of living, full employment, and conditions of economic and social progress for its citizens.

...more to be added


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on Nov 19, 2009

The Purposes of the Trade Order:

- To maintain peace and interplanetary security and to prevent and remove threats and acts of aggression to the peace of this Order.

 

That maybe a purpose after the invasion of the Vasari, I sure that any pirate raids would be handled by the local goverment. But your second purpose would be the key to the TO. Less red tape= more profit for all.

 

As for your requirements, anyone could be allowed to join just as long as they can improve profit and trade. The Trade Order focus is trade and cash flow.

on Nov 19, 2009

I feel like they would have a distinct set of rules. The Trade Order was focused on profits, but I don't think they let just anyone in.

on Nov 19, 2009

Mmmm...Not aruging that. Maybe I should of been a bit more descriptive.

 

We know they had a set of guidelines....thats how the Advent got started.

No matter what guidelines are, profit and new trade are the critical points.

on Nov 19, 2009

Oh yes I definitely agree to that.

on Nov 19, 2009

Well, lets break down the current principals you have:

1. sounds right.

2. There was no wars all disputes were setted in Court. (But still sounds like something just incase.)

3. I dont think the Trade Order could attack anything untill the TEC.

4. Sound resonable, but Im not sure if that was a problem till the Vasari showed up.

5. The one representive sounds good, though I would think how long that person served would be up to the goverment they serve.

6.7 and 8.. I dont think it would matter what kind of goverment the member is, just as long as they are productive member of the TO.

on Nov 19, 2009

Maybe you should include something like "Every member planet agrees it has a responsibility to keep its commerce lanes open for all TC trade". This would make blockades illegal and would support anti pirate operations (which they did do prior to the arrival of the Vasari).

on Nov 19, 2009

-Ue_Carbon
Well, lets break down the current principals you have:

1. sounds right.

2. There was no wars all disputes were setted in Court. (But still sounds like something just incase.)

3. I dont think the Trade Order could attack anything untill the TEC.

4. Sound resonable, but Im not sure if that was a problem till the Vasari showed up.

5. The one representive sounds good, though I would think how long that person served would be up to the goverment they serve.

6.7 and 8.. I dont think it would matter what kind of goverment the member is, just as long as they are productive member of the TO.

2,3,4- right they're mostly safeguards, but they would still be present. a "just in case" kinda thing.

5. well that wouldn't be fair if one planet had one rep serving for 15 years and another only serving 6. I think it would have to be regulated, though I'm open to changing 8 to 10 or maybe even 12 (tho I think that's stretching it a while, thats a long time to be serving.)

6,7- you're right, I'll remedy them tomorrow.

8- I still think matters. Remember, this is before the Order had some hundreds of planets. They might not even have the full Central Core yet. These would be the starting guidelines for ALL Trader planets-to-be. (also my argument to #3, there were many many systems that the TO was not alligned with. Bloodshed was a myth by the time of the birth of the TEC, but that doesn't mean the Trade Order didn't get bloody in its beginning.)

on Nov 19, 2009

Im with CI here on the issue of representatives. If their going to represent their planet in Trade Order Council of sorts, The individual governments would have to bow to the TO considering its being kind enough to allow them to hold their own governments and isnt that involved with what goes on within the planet.  If you wanted someone on the Council, theyd have to follow the rules set down by the TO itself about how long the rep would serve. As well his individual powers and his limits.

on Nov 19, 2009

Alrighty, Im still gonna stick with no limit on 5.

After all current goverment each goverment sets up their representaves and ambassadors. You could put a limit if you want I just dont any reason too. Each sepreate goverment should regulate their own ambassadors.

on Nov 19, 2009

The Trade Order was focused on profits, but I don't think they let just anyone in.

Note: Petitioning planets must not be run by psychopathic, psychic girl scouts with glowing eyes.

Or Aliens.

Okay, Aliens but not Jews.

Okay Jews

on Nov 19, 2009

     No they must also have some guidelines about religon. Possibly atheism? Or you can't be a fanatic and even if you contribute to the TO, out you go. It's possible TO didn't like religon and abolished it. The TO was allowed to attack pirates who raided them, th TO's response to the Vasari were frigates that were converted to fight pirates. Much like how the pirates converted the TEC ships into their own.

on Nov 20, 2009

6.7 and 8.. I dont think it would matter what kind of goverment the member is, just as long as they are productive member of the TO.

I totally agree with you on that one.  Their focus is trade; why would they care about your government so long as you trade fairly?

 

No they must also have some guidelines about religon. Possibly atheism? Or you can't be a fanatic and even if you contribute to the TO, out you go. It's possible TO didn't like religon and abolished it.

I don't see why religion would even matter.  Yes, they kicked out the Advent, but I don't think it was religion that pissed off the traders (seemed to be cybernetics).  I would think this is in the same vein as political setup, as far as the traders are concerned: "We really couldn't care less."

 

5. A member planet will present one representative from its planet to the Trade Order Council (TOC) for an eight-year term.

The one representive sounds good, though I would think how long that person served would be up to the goverment they serve.

Should they get representatives based on Planets or something else like population or maybe (since it's all about trade) GDP or quantity of imports/exports?  It'd be possible to have a two house system with a House of Planets and a House of Trade (or better names).  ... just an idea.

As for the length of a term: I think it's perfectly reasonable for the overarching government to specify the  length of a term.  How the representative is selected or how many terms they serve would leave plenty of flexibility in the hands of the individual planets.

on Nov 20, 2009

Pyropet
     No they must also have some guidelines about religon. Possibly atheism? Or you can't be a fanatic and even if you contribute to the TO, out you go. It's possible TO didn't like religon and abolished it. The TO was allowed to attack pirates who raided them, th TO's response to the Vasari were frigates that were converted to fight pirates. Much like how the pirates converted the TEC ships into their own.

That's extremely unlikely. From the instruction manual 'However, outside of the Traders' core principals, each member world maintained its own interests, form of government, economic systems, and culture.' Considering that religion is part of culture, it'd be more likely that each world would be allowed to establish and continue their religions. The Trade Order itself therefor would have to be secular, not atheistic, in order to not cater to any belief, including atheism. Otherwise, it would be a violating of individual planetary governments and culture.

Of course, the Unity's existance violates the basic idea of humanity to the Trade Order, because each person loses their individuality and essentially becomes a pseudo-mechanical host for the Unity. In otherwords, the Unity existance was a violation of humanity, because its worshippers lost their humanity to join the Unity.

on Nov 20, 2009

-Ue_Carbon
After all current goverment each goverment sets up their representaves and ambassadors. You could put a limit if you want I just dont any reason too. Each sepreate goverment should regulate their own ambassadors.

It's not an ambassador thing, its a representative thing. Like any government job, there's a term which consists of a period of years before it is up for reelection. The person presiding in that position can be voted to stay in, but they must have another vote. For the reps to the TOC, that isn't specifically stated in the Charter whether or not they have to be democratically elected, but each planet's government would have to work that 8-year term into their system somehow. (Maybe not strictly enforced, but they agree to it in the charter)

Numbers 6 and 7 are changed, let me explain what I put.

6- so each planet's allegiance in the game is interpreted as their citizen's happines with their current government (for this charter, before the war.) So when a planet wishes to be admitted into the Trade Order, its approval rating must be at least 70%. After it is admitted it can drop, but at admission it must be 70% or higher.

7- But if a planet drops to 30%, the citizens might be getting unruly and thinking of rebelling against the government, and the TOC holds the right to decide whether or not that planet's population poses a threat to its government and whether the Trade Order should get involved or not. Just because a planet drops to 30% doesn't mean they're abandoned by the Trade Order, but once a planet reaches 30% they become a "hot zone" and TOC can lawfully decide (by a 2/3 vote) to expel them.

on Nov 20, 2009

...which brings me to

8- If a planet is expelled from the Trade Order, it can apply for membership again, but only once it has met all the necessary requirements. (so far its only 70% approval rating) BUT the Council can still decide that the planet is more trouble than its worth and deny it membership (again, 2/3 vote yea or nay)

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